Monday, October 27, 2014

For-Profit Final Draft

Education in the United States has been becoming a larger priority for citizens to have as every new year passes. More employers are looking for people with degrees in the corresponding field of the work they will be doing. Although more employers are looking for a degree and more students are going to college every year, the limit for students that large Universities can take in, both public and private, is reaching its maximum intake of students. With this overflow of students that want a higher education, entrepreneurs like John Sperling and Michael Clifford are stepping in and innovating a branch of higher education known as For-Profit institutions designed for the students that were ignored from a standard university. For-Profit colleges have made a large change in the past decade as they have turned from being mainly “Mom and Pop Trade” Trade schools to being publicly traded giants. With this large growth in the past years it has allowed for many schools such as University of Phoenix and Grand Canyon University to build schools all over the nation for easy access by the United States. With this large uprise up schools they allow more students to attend every year. Although these schools sound like saviors for the rejected students, many have another view on what they really are. Many see the schools as a powerful empire that is out to steal these students money and leave the in the dirt in the end. Kevin Carey wrote an article called “Why Do You Think They’re Called For-Profit Colleges”, He goes and reaches out to some of the powerful leaders of this industry such as Michael Clifford, the owner of Grand Canyon University, to find out what these schools are all about. He discusses all of the horrific horror stories of many of the students that went to these schools who feel as though they were scammed and left with nothing but a massive pile of
debt, but in all he is out to defend the For-Profit school system and argues that they are a viable place for education. Carey and many others claim that For-Profit colleges are just looking to make money out of these students and they will take in anyone that is eligible for a loan no matter how underqualified they are or how likely they will be to default on their loan and even if they succeed in the school they are left with a practically worthless degree. In my paper I will discuss Carey’s paper and complicate it and extend the ideas that are made using outside sources from various professionals that view the For-Profit sector as adequate higher education or unsatisfactory.
In Carey’s Article he discusses how the For-Profit schools mainly target low-income families mainly because they are more likely to receive government loans which will help them pay for the hefty tuition that the schools charge, but although they are able to find government aid doesn’t mean that they will be able to pay the loan back in the end. This is why the For-Profit sector has led so many students to default on their loans, because they require low-income students to take on massive amounts of debt to get their degree that many students end up not being able to receive in the end as many students will likely drop out. It is shown that the graduation rate for the University of Phoenix online campus is less than 5% for students that have received a degree in 6 years and only .5% graduate in 4 years.(College Results) With the graduation rate so low for these students it  leaves them in the end with no degree to help them get the job they will need to pay off all of the debt that they have accumulated. As Carey states in his work “Large debt plus small income equals high risk of default”(Carrey 9). He says this because many of the students will end up defaulting on their loans because they didn’t have the funds necessary to pay for the loan they took out and now that they are left with their same previous income and no degree to help them find a better job, they have no other option but to default on their loans. Although Carey believes that it is the schools fault that they end up defaulting but the the Harvard scholars that wrote the article “For-Profit Colleges”(The Future of Children) think otherwise. In their article they state how the students at For-Profits are hurt financially but they don’t believe that it is the schools fault as they state “Students in for-profits tend to be in more precarious financial situations than other students before they enroll. Many of those from for-profits who defaulted on their loans or were unable to find work might have been in the same predicament even if they had attended a public or nonprofit institution”(Deming, Goldin, & Katz, 2013). This statement shows that in general even if this student had gone to a regular non-profit university they would have had the same likeliness to default on their loan. Some believe that the reason for the high default rates is that the For-Profit “recruiters” will sign up anyone they can, no matter how likely they are to default on their loans. But the employees of the for-profit schools such as Michael Clifford of the Grand Canyon University denies that the schools “have any responsibility whatsoever for how much students borrow and whether they can pay it back”(Carrey 8). The Harvard scholars help qualify Carey’s text as they support the side that it is not the For-Profit schools fault that the students default but they believe that the students who default were destined to fail from the start. The students later go on to compare the Community College system to the For-Profits as they are both feasible options for students that were rejected from the public Universities. They claim that the For-Profits have a much better guidance system that allows the students to complete the classes they need and graduate in a short period of time. They discovered a study conducted by James Rosenbaum, Regina Deil-Amen and Ann Person where they researched and compared the completion rates between community colleges and For-Profits alone and they came to the conclusion that “”Private Occupational Colleges”(Meaning for-profit, proprietary or career colleges) had higher completion
ratings than students at community colleges”(Deming, Goldin, & Katz, 2013). These students are helping support and qualify Carey’s claims as they are stating that although the For-Profits are more expensive than the community colleges, the for-profits have higher completion ratings and they offer much better programs with more guidance that the community colleges are unable to offer.
Carey makes many claims speaking against what the For-Profit schools are doing. One of the claims he makes is how the For-Profit schools are fighting against many of the government laws being created to limit the money the schools can receive from government subsidies. He states that “the “90/10 rule,” a federal rule that bars for-profits from receiving more than 90 percent of their revenue from federal aid”(Carey, 2010). He goes on to state that the schools are making attempts to re brand as “Market based” instead of for-profit to make it seem as though they are less in it for the money and more in it to give the students a better education. Although Carey is on the side to enforce these sorts of laws, there are many people out there that believe that these schools are being singled out and that these laws shouldn't only be enforced on for-profits but on the higher education sector as a whole. People such as Brian Darling, an aide to senators on the US counsel, believes that “the non-profit sector feels threatened”(Darling 2010), and that they have aided with the government to limit the power that the for-profits can hold. Darling supports the Education for All Act which forbids the singling out of students from proprietary and vocational schools. He complicates Carey’s claim by supporting the enforcement of laws, such as one requiring the department of education to evaluate students of post-secondary schools and deny them if they are deemed unfit, would make it very difficult for these schools to operate. As Darling states that it would be more difficult for the institutions to operate if the students were evaluated, there is much more room to argue that these rules should be enforced because the students that they are taking in are not fit to take on this higher education and being able to pay it off in the end. Others that help strengthen Carey's case such as a professor of law at the University of Miami argue that “By civic and economic standards, for-profit higher education outcomes are disappointing”(James, 2011). James believes that many students are misguided and they should be provided with the facts on graduation rates and salaries after graduation so that students can see the dangers and make the decision for themselves whether they want to take the risk of entering into the school or not. Both authors complicate the Claim Carey makes and states that the government shouldn’t take only the for-profits into discussion when creating these laws and that instead of singling the schools out in these laws that would limit the amount of money the schools can make, the schools should be able to provide the student with enough information on what the school can offer them and how likely they are to succeed. Darling later states that the government making these laws “unfairly hold for-profit institutions to a higher standard for student debt and default than all other institutions of higher education”(Darling, 2010)  But much of the reason these laws are being created are not because of the large risk of default but because the hgih percentage of federal aid coming to for-profits. Carey states that “A quarter of federal aid goes to for-profits, while they enroll only 10 percent of students”(Carey, 2010). Although these claims made by these professionals do complicate the claims made by Carey, the claims Carey makes prove to show compelling evidence that the government should be able to put a higher regulation on the federal aid the for profits can receive as they are such a small percentage of higher education but they still gain such a large proportion from the government
After doing in-depth research on the topic of higher education in the form of For-Profit schools, it is shown by the evidence provided by Carey and various outside sources that this sector of higher education proves to be a vital source of education for low income students rejected by the formal university. The claims made by Carey showed that he believed that the For-Profits were a suitable place for education but had stated that it should also be regulated slightly by the government. Some outside sources had qualified Carey while others had complicated his claims, but in the end the claims originally made by Carey had been proven much more applicable. Although For-Profits do have a much higher price tag than those on community colleges, the For-Profits provide much better programs that allow students to get their degrees completed in a short amount of time and keep them on track throughout the way.

Monday, October 20, 2014

For-Profit Draft

Education in the United States has been becoming a larger priority for citizens to have as every new year passes. More jobs are looking for people with degrees in the corresponding field of the work they will be doing. Although more jobs are looking for a degree and more students are going to college every year, the limit for students that large Universities can take in, both public and private, is reaching its maximum intake of students. With this overflow of students that want a higher education, entrepreneurs like John Sperling and Michael Clifford are stepping in and innovating a branch of higher education known as For-Profit institutions designed for the students that were ignored from a standard university. For-Profit colleges have made a large change in the past decade as they have turned from being mainly “Mom and Pop Trade” Trade schools to being publicly traded giants. With this large growth in the past years it has allowed for many schools such as University of Phoenix and Grand Canyon University to build schools all over the nation for easy access by the United States. With this large uprise up schools they allow more students to attend every year. Although these schools sound like saviours for the rejected students, many have another view on what they really are. Many see the schools as a powerful mongol that is out to steal these students money and leave the in the dirt in the end. Kevin Carey wrote an article called “Why Do You Think They’re Called For-Profit Colleges”, He goes and reaches out to some of the powerful leaders of this industry such as Michael Clifford, the owner of Grand Canyon University, to find out what these schools are all about. He discusses all of the horrific horror stories of many of the students that went to these schools who feel as though they were scammed and left with nothing but a massive pile of debt. Carey and many others claim that For-Profit colleges are just looking to make money out of these students and they will take in anyone that is eligible for a loan no matter how underqualified they are or how likely they will be to default on their loan and even if they succeed in the school they are left with a practically worthless degree. In my paper I will discuss Carey’s paper and link it to other outside works in establishing the validity of the facts that Carey is presenting to his audience.
In Carey’s Article he discusses how the For-Profit schools mainly target low-income families mainly because they are more likely to receive government loans which will help them pay for the hefty tuition that the schools charge, but although they are able to find government aid doesn’t mean that they will be able to pay the loan back in the end. This is why the For-Profit sector has led so many students to default on their loans, because they require low-income students to take on massive amounts of debt to get their degree that many students end up not being able to receive in the end as many students will likely drop out. It is shown that the graduation rate for the University of Phoenix online campus is less than 5% for students that have received a degree in 6 years and only .5% graduate in 4 years. With the graduation rate so low for these students it  leaves them in the end with no degree to help them get the job they will need to pay off all of the debt that they have accumulated. As Carey states in his work “Large debt plus small income equals high risk of default”(Carrey 9), he says this because many of the students will end up defaulting on their loans because they didn’t have the funds necessary to pay for the loan they took out and now that they are left with their same previous income and no degree to help them find a better job, they have no other option but to default on their loans. Although Carey believes that it is the schools fault that they end up defaulting but the the Harvard scholars that wrote the article “For-Profit Colleges” on the Future of Children think otherwise. In their article they state how the students at For-Profits are hurt financially but they don’t believe that it is the schools fault as they state “Students in for-profits tend to be in more precarious financial situations than other students before they enroll. Many of those from for-profits who defaulted on their loans or were unable to find work might have been in the same predicament even if they had attended a public or nonprofit institution”(Deming 6). This statement shows that in general even if this student had gone to a regular non-profit university they would have had the same likeliness to default on their loan. Although this statement is true it is shown that the For-Profit schools will take anyone even if the have a high risk of default while non-profits will deny these students loans if they are unfit to pay them back. But the employees of the for-profit schools such as Michael Clifford of the Grand Canyon University  denies that the schools “have any responsibility whatsoever for how much students borrow and whether they can pay it back”(Carrey 8). This shows that the argument could go either way of people saying that it is either the schools fault or that the student was destined still default even after a non-profit university. Another claim that Carey makes in his paper that can also be retaliated against is the claim about how the For-Profit schools are making attempts to sneak by the laws the government is making to prevent them from receiving the majority of their money from government subsidies.
Carey makes many claims speaking against what the For-Profit schools are doing, one of the claims he makes is how the For-Profit schools are fighting against many of the government laws being created to limit the money the schools can receive from government subsidies. He states that “the “90/10 rule,” a federal rule that bars for-profits from receiving more than 90 percent of their revenue from federal aid”(Carey 10). He goes on to state that the schools are making attempts to rebrand as “Market based” instead of for-profit to make it seem as though they are less in it for the money and more in it to give the students a better education. Although Carey is on the side to enforce these sorts of laws, there are many people out there that believe that these schools are being singled out and that these laws shouldn’t only be enforced on for-profits but on the higher education sector as a whole. People such as Brian Darling, an aide to senators on the US counsel, believes that “the non-profit sector feels threatened”(Darling 1), and that the have aided with the government to limit the power that the for-profits can hold. Darling supports the Education for All Act which forbids the singling out of students from proprietary and vocational schools. Darling believes that the enforcement of laws, such as one requiring the department of education to evaluate students of postsecondary schools and deny them if they are deemed unfit, would make it very difficult for these schools to operate. As Darling states that it would be more difficult for the institutions to operate if the students were evaluated, there is much more room to argue that these rules should be enforced because the students that they are taking in are not fit to take on this higher education and being able to pay it off in the end. Others that help strengthen Carey's case such as a professor of law at the University of Miami argue that “By civic and economic standards, for-profit higher education outcomes are disappointing”(James 3). James believes that many students are misguided and they should be provided with the facts on graduation rates and salaries after graduation so that students can see the dangers and make the decision for themselves whether they want to take the risk of entering into the school or not.
After doing in depth research on this topic of for-profit schools, I am now lead to believe that the schools are very corrupted and regulations need to be set to limit what they can and can’t do. Although I believe this, I also see some sort of light at the end of the tunnel for these schools as they do show some positives and they could possibly evolve and change in a way so they can still operate efficiently and make a profit, but also do good for the community by continuing to save dying schools and educate those that want to be highly educated but can’t do the denial from the non-profit school system. So for-profits should not be completely disregarded, but with the right pushing of some laws and restrictions, the for-profit sector can be a great asset in providing the general public with a way to get more people to recieve a higher education.

Wednesday, October 8, 2014

Quotes Relating to Carey


  1. "For-Profit universities view their students as customers, and to attract and retain those customers degree programs and curricula must be market driven."-Seiden
  2. "The money received in military education benefits by just 20 for-profit companies soared to an estimated $521.2 million from $66.6 million" - Perteaus 
  3. "Students learn just enough by surfing the web for random unreliable sources" - Comment Section

Monday, October 6, 2014

Carey's Main Claims


  1. Carey’s first claim in the article is that For-Profit colleges charge much more for tuition than Community Colleges and Universities. He backs up this claim with statistics stating the amount charged for a four year University and then how much for a For-Profit Institution. Carey’s second claim is that For-Profit colleges are receiving ridiculous amounts of money from the government. He provides evidence that the students are receiving Pell Grants and Subsidized Loans to pay. The third Claim is that the schools are growing at a very rapid rate to the point where they are highly unlikely to be stopped. He supports this by stating how they used to by “mom and Pop trade schools but now they are turning into mass corporations.
  2. The first claim that Carey makes about the positives of For-Profit schools is that they fix the gap left by universities and they accept the students that weren't able to get into those schools. He supports this by stating that the schools offer night classes so people can work during the day and that they also don't look at past grades for acceptance. The second claim he makes is that these big corporate schools are able to save the sick and dying schools by buying them out and turning them into a For-Profit. He provides evidence that Grand Canyon University has bought out many smaller schools to build on and to save the students that attend these schools. The third claims is that they make the attempt to appeal to the general public. He backs this by stating that They offer a wide variety of class forms that can help almost anyone get a degree such as online.
  3. I would like to investigate the 90/10 law and see how the Universities are fighting it and how it works.

Friday, October 3, 2014

For-Profit Colleges Response


In the article “Why Do You Think They’re Called For-Profit Colleges” by Kevin Carey he discusses the effects of for-profit colleges on students and on the government. He chooses to organize the text in which he discusses the cons of the for-profit institutions and then goes on to discuss what positive outcomes it has on the community. He chose to organize this way to stop anyone from disproving his statement by already stating the positive effects. Carey goes on to discuss in his article describing many events where the government is trying to put the money vacuum we call for-profit colleges to a halt by stating the actions the government has made. He uses this strategy to display that although the government is making a fight against the horrifying stories about these colleges, the colleges are fighting back and it seems as though they have much more power. In the end of the article where Carey discusses the benefits of these for-profit schools seems very persuasive as it seems that they are trying to make good in the community. Such as where he talks about how they want to provide education for walmart cashiers and they are saving some drowning institutions. But it seems as though he was able to support all of his claims with some sort of solid evidence.

Wednesday, October 1, 2014

For-Profit Impressions


Whenever I heard about schools such as ITT Tech and University of Phoenix I always thought that it was just a school for older people who wanted to get a degree and it was easy and cheap. After watching the videos about what these for-profit Universities were all about, I was shocked. I was disgusted about the things that these schools would do to these lower income people just because they want to get an education to get a better job and make more money. I never knew how expensive the schools were and that many of the students wouldn’t even graduate. I would really want to learn more about the horrors of this scam of a school.